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October 26, 2012 at 12:09 pm #1404MikeMember
I very much appreciate cycle facilities such as cycle paths when we are given them to use. I know they are never perfect but anything that gives me an option to be out of the way of traffic is great. I also appreciate it when I am in my car as I am today as it can be very pressured when you cannot get by bike and the person in the car behind you is putting the pressure on for you to pass. Personally I could sit there for a while if need be until I can pass but it is easy to give in to pressure and pass without giving enough room.
One thing I was worrying about on Wednesday when cycling home was what the council have done in Wantage along Charlton Road. I guess it is not in the remit of HarBUG’s campaigns though it could be as it is part of a commute to site. The workers have painted a cycle path onto the existing footpath, going past Hans Avenue from the traffic lights. It looks like the path is going to go all the way up to the school, maybe, or there about.
After it is done then motorists might be annoyed with cyclists if they are still cycling on the road, but as the path is narrow, pedestrians will be annoyed at them if they cycle on the “cycle path”. I do not think it is well thought out. Perhaps the path is meant for school goers and I am not expected to use it. For that reason it is a good idea but it needed to be wider. There is plenty of room most of the time, except for the odd Horse Chestnut getting in the way.
The workers are re-surfacing the path anyway so they could have made it wider. I might have to change my route, maybe go Lains Barn way along Grove Park Road now because I am not too sure how to behave on Charlton road. At any time I could upset someone, whatever I do.
I was thinking of writing to the council, but they will not listen to me. Besides, it is done now anyway. Cycle facilities are much appreciated but they need to be well thought out. That is, wide enough for everyone to pass safely. Otherwise they can cause situations between users, especially as cycle paths are used also by pedestrians and horses.
Am I just being silly?
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October 26, 2012 at 12:31 pm #1406RichardStamperMember
This is a fine example of classically bad practice by the council. Second-hand information from a parent of a child at King Alfred’s school is that pupils have been instructed to use the pavement leaving the school on bikes. Since pavement cycling is illegal it looks like the council is being helpful by “converting” the pavement into a shared use path by painting some white lines, ignoring the fact that the result will meet none of the DoT guidelines on such facilities and will be generally unsatisfactory for pedestrians and cyclists alike. Motorists might be happy I guess.
I believe the cycle path between Abingdon and Drayton arose through a similar mechanism – in that case the police got fed up with pedestrians complaining about cyclists on the pavement – and the result is a path that is good in parts and hazardous in others.
As it happens, I’ve just had a letter published in the Oxford Times on this subject. Text below:
Nigel Clarke’s simple three-point plan for improving cycle safety has one flaw – his second point, that cyclists should always use cycle paths when provided. I can do no better than to quote the opening paragraphs of Chapter 13 of the official Stationary Office publication “Cyclecraft”, recommended reading for the national cycle training standard “Bikeability”.
“Most people believe that the segregation of cyclists from other traffic by the provision of cycle paths and other facilities is the ideal way to improve cycling safety. But in reality experienced cyclists often avoid using cycle paths, even if this means riding along busy roads. The value of cycle facilities varies considerably, as does the quality of what is provided.
It is a mistake to think that cycle facilities are inherently safer than using the general roads.
Most facilities are not safer, particularly for a similar level of mobility, and there is evidence that some facilities are both hazardous in themselves and lead to unsafe cycling practices.”
In and around Oxford there are some cycle facilities that do help cyclists by providing convenient and safe routes. Sadly, many others are so badly designed or maintained that they are both more dangerous and less convenient for cyclists than the roads. As a regular cyclist, I have lost count of the number of times I have been abused by motorists for not using a cycle path. Could I put in a plea for those motorists not to honk their horns, gesticulate, wind down their windows and shout at cyclists to “use the effing cycle path”, but to consider that they may be on the road because it is the safest place for them to be?
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October 28, 2012 at 9:34 am #1407
Hi Mike, Welcome to the Wantage cycle paths. If you think the bit down Harcourt road is bad, consider what you would do if you approahced the junction that way. I *think* you would have to
1. find the cyclist’s button hidden behind a chestnut tree
2. wait in the road where there used to be a mark showing a cyclist’s waiting area, but in practice what you findt there is a transit van
3. When the lighs change, cross the A338 , cross the pedestrain part of the pavement and cyle up the completely overgrown cycle path in the hedge, trying to avoid the seat in the bus stop which is also on the cycle path.
4. Cross back over the A338 at the crossing, and carry on to Grove (whre you cross the main road again).And don’t get me started on the cycle provision on the other route between Grove and Wantage (past the aeroplane)…
Funnily enough, we surveyed the facilities a few year ago for the “wantage and grove healthcheck” (which all came to little in the end). One of the things I did was to stand a the A338/harcourt road junction in the morning to watch the kids navigate the junction in the easy direction (from Grove to Wantage). Very few of them use Harcourt road; the ones that do, go up the pavement on the left (north side) of the road. The rest go straight on at the junction, along the A338 – most of them going the wrong way up the cycle path on the right hand side (west) of the A338. I asked a few of them why and they just said it was flatter and quicker to go that way.
I guess we have to accept that councils can clock up brownie points for installing n miles of cycle paths no matter how badly designed, and the idea of a hierarchy of provision is in all the planning guidelines but hasn’t made it into teh administrative mind.
Meanwhile, what I do on Harcourt road is to cycle on the road both ways. coing down teh hill on teh way home, I go pretty quickly to avoid holding people up too much, signal right and dive over the road at the bottom, tehn go the wrong way up teh cycle path on teh east side of teh 338, taking care at all teh driveways, til I join the proper cycle path beyond the crossing. I think that’s what most most people do.
Anyway, rant over – off to read the Sunady papers!
Justin.
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October 29, 2012 at 5:44 pm #1408LSMember
If you are being silly, then I am absolutely bonkers. These rubbish, unthought-out, child’s-version of cycle paths REALLY wind me up. A Wantage cycle path, I’m proud to say, features in that excellent publication, ‘crap cycle lanes’ (see http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/). I did write to Ed Vaizey when I first came across it, so that he could share my pride.
I agree with Justin that councils get ‘brownie points’ for installing n miles of cyle path (I believe, but can’t back up, that they are compelled to install a certain length of cycle path for each mile of new road built. Note that the length of cycle path is important, not quality or usefulness).
My sister has a friend in London who works with cycle facility planners. She was asked to show a group of 30 planners – who’d been doing the job for YEARS – examples of good and bad practice. Her initial idea was to cycle round with the planners showing them good and bad cycle paths, but this plan had to be shelved because about 8 of them COULDN’T CYCLE and another 10 hadn’t cycled since they were 10. Perhaps herein lies the clue to the quality of cycle paths.
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October 30, 2012 at 7:45 am #1409MikeMember
It is hard to try and stay positive about facilities such as cycle lanes but we must try. I don’t want to start whinging too much as no one will pay attention anyway. Cycle lanes are hard to design as mostly one has to work within existing conditions and there is not always much room to add these things in to existing plans and have a perfect system. Something like this was talked about on Resonance FM’s Cycle Show recently.
I just hated the idea of the lane painted on the footpath or things like the path at Abingdon past Culham that suddenly ends right opposite a T junction. How are you supposed to go from the path safely onto the road? You don’t. You cycle on illegally into Abingdon and come off at the bridge, that is what.
Cycle paths on the Ladygrove in Didcot seemed good but then I would never go down them at night. That is a complicated social problem though, not the path’s fault. When the new houses are built in Grove and Wantage it is the best opportunity to get things right. A path by the road in full view with good junctions is good. No dark alleys. If you are starting from scratch though it is easier. I would not want to be designing these things. You would need to do a lot of research.
Many cycle paths suffer at each end where they begin and terminate, like the one from Wantage to Grove. The path itself is OK and better than being on the road and the lights at grove work very well. The wantage end just wants tweaking. The main issue is when a cycle lane is not fit for purpose and cyclists do not or cannot use them the path creates more friction from motorists.
I remember being gesticulated at by a driver once for not using the path from Marcham to Abindon. He was so angry at me for being on the road and not on the track. Why was I on the road? The cycle track was still being built at the time! There were steam rollers all over it and some of it was still being laid. Idiot. Maybe I could have used the path on a Fat Bike. Maybe.
Personally I prefer to use Google Earth and Street map to seek out my own personal solutions hence cycling through villages and down bridleways away from the road. You might hate me for this but I must admit, almost with a sense of hiprocracy to hate being held up by all the cyclists on the A417 on the way to work when in the car even though most days I am cycling. Not so much being held up by the bike, I can wait a little while, but the being under pressure from traffic behind to deal with it and pass. I hate that stress in the car.
Until the invention of Google Maps I did not know about the routes through the villages from RAL so used to cycle on the road from West Hendred. If you have a skinny road bike though the village route is not for you anyway from West Hendred on.
As a partially related thought, I often think while driving, the more white lines, signs, rules, flashing LEDs, nannying etc there is the less people are supposed to think for themselves as if all these new rules and controls are some kind of substitute for etiquette. We are supposed to know our pleases and thank you, bowing to the queen etc. I always thought that conditions tended to dictate what you do based on your training, ‘breeding’ and experience but now it is a matter of control the stupid rather than relying on etiquette. I want to learn the rules and keep them in my head and think for myself. I hate being controlled so much now. It makes me edgy and tense. I feel so pressured from it all. I do not think too much nannying does anything helpful anyway. People are increasingly delinquent and angry in England. For whatever reason us Britt’s are becoming more and more angry at it all. If we could figure that one out and get along then who would we need as many cycle lanes.
I dream of the day the Canal towpath is ready as well, though nothing happens very fast with the Canal Trust. How nice it would be to ride all the way from Abingdon to the K&A, away from traffic. I look longingly at the ruins. I want our canal back.
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